GOP says lower-tax states are subsidizing California. It’s the other way around, and tax overhaul could make it worse

GOP says lower-tax states are subsidizing California. It’s the other way around, and tax overhaul could make it worse
GOP says lower-tax states are subsidizing California. It’s the other way around, and tax overhaul could make it worse

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maizeandblue832932 · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

8 out of the top 10 most leeches of federal aid are all GOP states (Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Louisiana, Indiana, Montana, South Carolina, West Virginia).

Rage_Blackout · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

I still marvel at how they can state such blatant lies. It’s well-known that California (and New York and all the most populated blue states) provide far more federal tax revenue than they take. Led by Trump, the GOP has taken shameless lying to new extremes.

VotiveSpark · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Counties Clinton won were 64% of GDP in 2015. That’s almost 2/3. Despite all the conservative circlejerking about hard work, it’s obvious to me that the left is pulling most of the weight in the US.

janethefish · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

I’m sorry, is the entire GOP strategy just projection at this point? The response to the Mueller investigation is telling too? I suppose it started with Swiftboating, but its really gotten out of hand.

Opoponax375HH · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

As my teenage daughter would say, the red states are so “jelly” of California.

Everything they believe in is proven wrong by California’s success. They’re particularly embittered by the fact that California has to give more than it gets, primarily in order to support red states like fucking Kansas.

Eradicator_1729 · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

The GOP has always known that they can outright lie to their supporters and the lie will become “common knowledge” to them. It’s how we freaking got to this point with “fake news” and “alternative facts”.

kvrdave · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

I live in Eastern Washington (very conservative) and when people talk about making our own state to get away from the I-5, I say, “Who do you think is paying for our schools and roads?”

Califia1 · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

What’s most impressive is they’re convincing Conservatives to rally behind this *specifically because* they think it will hurt California.

“Even if my taxes do go up, this will finally destroy the liberal hellholes.”

This is what’s being spread on conservative forums. They’ve decided they’re okay being fucked, as long as they think their perceived enemies are being fucked slightly harder.

feignapathy · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

California…which is like the 5th or 7th largest economy in the world by itself is subsidizing the rest of the country basically.

**G**aslight

**O**bstruct

**P**roject

factsRcool · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

If GOP says *anything*, it’s “the other way around”

graps · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

As a California tax payer and and someone who pays pretty high property taxes I’m pretty OK with it. Live 3 blocks from the beach, the school’s are great, and I pretty much have no crime..also I have a great tax guy who knows loopholes. I’m perfectly happy paying the welfare checks of Trump supporters. You’re welcome Alabama! I keep you from feeding your kids cat food at Thanksgiving!

GVArcian · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Vampire GOP: No you’re the leeches! Bleh!

wrath4771 · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Only in GOPland would this make sense. The states with deficits and lower taxes supporting the state with higher taxes and a surplus.

DreadCascadeEffect · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

And yet all CA Republican house members voted yes on a plan that would strip state and local tax deductions for all Californians so that the very rich could get a tax break.

OMyBuddha · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Blue States on average pay more than they receive and Red States get more. This has been true for decades….

Time for the Coasts & big cities to get a refund. Small & medium sized towns in Trumpland *send their homeless* to Big, blue run cities, supplement their intentionally undeveloped economies with outside taxes and often prevent cities from spending *their own taxes* on themselves.

2DeadMoose · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Just as credible as Trump’s bogus-ass claim that we’re the highest taxed nation in the world.

RichestMangInBabylon · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

It’s kind of like how people on welfare pay the most in taxes. Wait…

ThatFargoDude · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

You see Republicans playing on this idiocy within states, too. Everyone in rural areas and small towns seem to think they are subsidizing the big cities with their tax money when in reality it is the exact opposite.

pandahug28 · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

I just can’t understand how someone living in a low tax state would believe their state is funding high tax states.

justkjfrost · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

In other news, GOP lying, lying, lying, and lying and pretending they aren’t understanding why everyone think they’re assholes…

Edit : here are actual numbers https://files.taxfoundation.org/20170113143138/FedAidtoStates.png

donpepep · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

It is time for California and New York to demand from the federal government what they contribute in taxes. Free ride states that don’t produce shit shouldn’t have that much representation in our government.

JJDude · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

New Flash: the GOP is a group of pathological liars.

Burn_Nice_and_Slow · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

>GOP says…

Inteliigent people know this phrase is 105% of the time is followed by bullshit.

biffordmalibu · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

What kind of fucking idiot would believe something so insanely wrong?

Next up on Fox News… California!

DrWho1970 · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Tell you what, let’s cut federal tax and not pass any money between states and we’ll see who is right… 🙂

yugeorangetan · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

GOP is blatantly lying for years and getting away with it, thanks faux news

OkSureWhatevers · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Ok, let’s just let California, New York and Texas keep all their money and get none in return from the feds and see what happens within one year. Now it IS Kansas again, Dorothy!

lurker4lyfe6969 · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Red States are not called deficit states for nothing

dawkbrook · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

If I were California, I’d just entertain just saying fuck it, and leaving the Union. They’d be better off financially for it if they just kept all the revenue that the state sends to the federal government. And it would be funny to watch the GOP explain to their base why it would be super bad for them if the hippies in California took their money and bailed.

FetcherLeVache · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

The Greedy Old Party had best be careful just how much it pisses off California. That’s nearly 40 million people, the 6th largest economy in the world, and no, it’s not full of “fruits, nuts, and flakes”. Poke the American bear at your peril.

Bwob · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

I mean, if they really feel that way, and really want CA to stand on its own two feet, then they could just stop providing federal services, in exchange for CA no longer paying federal taxes…

SpaceProphetDogon · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Fuck Red State Socialism

3rdred · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Russia, Trump, GOP: Whatever the truth is, say the opposite.

warrenfgerald · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

This is why blue staters need to get on board with reducing the size of the Federal government. Californian’s can have all the government services they want, paid for by the state. Cut off the red state rubes and their Federal gravy train. Until this happens, there will be no consequences for red staters who continue to vote for corporate shils.

crowdsourced · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

It’s almost as though Trump and his cult are trying to harm Blue states to favor Red states.

AyyyGreens · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Something that has become apparent with this year is how little each of the states know about the other states’ affairs. Maybe we should do something about that. Yeah, it’s hard, but so is living in this giant-ass country. If you want easy, living in this country will do you no favors.

nliausacmmv · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

So they’re just straight-up lying. That’s not even misleading but technically true claims, that’s just flatly untrue.

markpas · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Let’s get this straight? Is the proposal to keep full tax deductions for contributions to homophobic politically active megachurches while taxing people on property taxes paid to support their local schools?

isikorsky · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

California is a donor state, meaning it gives more in taxes then it receives. It’s GDP , if it was a stand alone nation, would be the 6th highest in the world.

GOP once again fail basic math.

autotldr · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-state-local-tax-subsidy-20171029-story.html) reduced by 86%. (I’m a bot)
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> The main Republican argument for killing the state and local tax deduction is that the break forces residents of low-tax states to subsidize those in California and other high-tax states.

> California is among 13 states that ship more tax money to Washington than they get back in federal spending, according to the Rockefeller Institute of Government, a public policy think tank in Albany, N.Y. They're known as donor states, a title California has held for years, mostly because of the state's relatively younger population and large number of high-income earners.

> "The reason a lot of states … have a bad balance of payments is because the relatively rich states are paying into a tax system that has progressive rates – and they pay a lot," said Don Boyd, director of fiscal studies at the Rockefeller Institute, which is the public policy research arm of the State University of New York.

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QuietGentleman · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Shut down the federal government pocketbook. Cut them off and let them starve.

jjoe206 · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

lol facebook google apple contribute more tax rev than entire states…

npcknapsack · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

I wish the independent California thing was not a Russian setup. (Can’t you Californians just join up with Canada? I’d love to essentially be home again while still working where I work…)

theholyroller · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

The consistency with which Republican voters hold views which are based on 100% factually incorrect ideas is simply astounding. 9 time’s out of 10 it would seem that you can bank all your money on the perspective opposite a Republican belief being the factually correct one.

drawkbox · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Republicans, who are supposedly all about not being taxed, here want to be double taxed for the same money locally and nationally? State and local tax exemptions are one of the easiest things to justify. Noone wants to pay taxes locally and then get taxed nationally on the local tax money you spent, that should be exempt in any tax system as that is not really income or your money.

Why republicans want this is ONLY to harm blue states that collect more taxes and have to take in less from the Feds. This encourages more states to tax like a red state and to have to rely on the federal government more.

So the party of ‘states rights’ and against most taxes, here they are again against states rights and are cheering for double taxation because it harms blue states over red states, [the same blue states that already pay out more federal money than they take in](https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/). They think taxes are bad, and they do suck but are needed at times, but they are just dandy when it hit blue states harder…

When politics starts to make life harder in blue states over red states for team politics over country or class, we have reached a new low and an uncivil war has commenced.

Kanarkly · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Cannot stand these fucking liars. How are they allowed to just lie like that?

prodigalpariah · October 31, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Every day is Opposite Day in republicanland

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